Rummer
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True it should be called v2.6 not v3.0.
But what annoys me really is that i can't edit the Article headed like the module header.
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Prosenjeet
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Apart from some polishing of things and making few things easier to do. I find no MJOR upgrade---
Ya fluid layout is great.
The hype created for version 3 doesnt match as we look at the demo.
I was expecting something more on the header part where we can define the header dimentions (not just height and width) but headers that can be made to overlap the body in some parts, I mean versitality.
All in all, it is an upgrade, not a new version.
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Prosenjeet
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1) I was expecting, editing of other themes through Artisteer
2) Capability to design real professional themes as compared to stereotyped Artisteer designs which are recognised moment a Artisteer made site is visited.
3) Upgrading the HTML template designing really isnt what we are looking for in Artisteer, that we can do in DreamWeaver etc. We are more interested in WP, Joomla, Drupal tremplates where there was no significant upgrades.
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Tim
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I'm happy with the updates to DNN, you can use the the DNNMENU and and the login and register can be removed from the export.
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Mr_faizan
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I am honestly looking for more to be done before official release. It's quite underwhelming in it's current rendition to be considered a "v3".
Also, how about Joomla! and class suffix? Are we still exempt from using them? This idea is so counter-intuitive and extremely hard to work around.
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Earl
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Stop whining, and if you want something that gives you the ability to do all of the above, buy dreamweaver, learn to code in php and do it manually.
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John
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Quote Earl:
Stop whining, and if you want something that gives you the ability to do all of the above, buy dreamweaver, learn to code in php and do it manually.
I agree Earl, for what Artisteer is built to do it does it really well. The fluid design thing is a pretty major update. As far as generic artisteer look... oh yeah? I built this Wordpress theme with Artisteer and tweaked the CSS --> http://imshome.com/technology-blog/ Nobody can tell that was Artisteer generated.
About the biggest thing the developer team could do to enhance my overall happiness with the product is allow us to start with a blank slate.
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madboss
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Quote Earl:
Stop whining, and if you want something that gives you the ability to do all of the above, buy dreamweaver, learn to code in php and do it manually.
I wasnt the one who wrote that on the artisteer home page "No need to learn Photoshop, CSS, HTML or other technologies"
" You don't need to learn Photoshop, CSS, HTML and other Web technologies to create great looking designs, including images and buttons. "
if its so they should put "Generate a template in Artister and learn Dreamweaver to fix it as u want it to be "....
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JB
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You guys would complain if you won 1 million dollars. Get over it, Artisteer does a great job at getting you 90% there. Stop whining about the extra 10% you have to do!
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Subs
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Nothing new in Artisteer 3.0
I thought there might be an option to move the main menu but it's the same old, Header, Menu & Body
besides the fluid width(wow), there is nothing new with this update
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Peter
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Quote JB:
You guys would complain if you won 1 million dollars. Get over it, Artisteer does a great job at getting you 90% there. Stop whining about the extra 10% you have to do!
This.
You're never going to find something that does it all for you unless you learn to do more for yourselves anyway. Of course you also need the dedication to learn and creativity to create something new each time but that's not something anyone can teach you.
I'm going to wait until the full release of v3. Right now it's a preview release but I'm ecstatic that fluid width is here. Something we've been waiting a long time for 
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Brunna
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I gree too!
Ok Artisteer Team always help me, and i build many beautiful themes with Artisteer but... Missing a lot yet!
Header and footer into sheet is very bad , we cant build a website with header 100% and footer 100% and sheet separately must always be the same size i make this manually.
Module positions missing i don't understand why not new module positions... Module class sufixx must be easy to others personly i was learn Thanks Helga support! But for beginers is not easy...
So what is new in Artisteer 3.0? Bug fixes...?
I don't see any better feature...
I still wait for some really amazing on Artisteer
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Earl
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How about editable content in static sites, artisteer.net for hosted sites, exportable themes, fluid width themes, improved interface that allows you to create sites faster?
Perhaps I'm being dense, but the way I look at it is it's a tool like any other, good for getting sites up and running quickly for people who don't want to learn the mechanics of creating their own hand coded themes, but who are willing to take a little time to learn to use Artisteer's unique interface effectively.
It's quite possible to make unique, visually appealing themes using Artisteer and your favourite cms without having to resort to modifying the generated files if you spend a little time learning how to use the program.
Like any other tool, it's only as good as the workman using it. Draw your own conclusions.
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Richard
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PS, its a preview !
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kurt
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thank you all for your comments.
I guess we need to put everything in perspective. We're all customers and using the system. if you compare it to anything else out there, it blows them away. when it launched, there really was nothing to fill the gap of quickly creating a nice them for joomla, WP etc. there still isn't.
The new features in 3.0 may not justify the jump from 2.5 but that's OK. The real issue is whether Artisteer is a good product and getting better and is the development team listening to us and making improvements.
I would say yes on all those fronts. I had a client project this past weekend and very little time to do it. I was able to do it very rapidly and imitate an existing design they had and move them over to a CMS based system without needing our web designer. that would have been impossible to do in such a short period of time with dreamweaver and other tools.
In my mind there are only 2-3 things "missing" from Artisteer that will make it a complete product for creating Joomla templates:
1. the ability to have headers with a different width than the sheet, ie fluid width header and fixed size sheet.
2. the ability to create custom module styles/classes
3. the ability to create static pages with content for HTML email campaigns
These are enormously valuable features and would make it complete. But we use it regularly at our company and get tremendous value out of it. It has paid for itself many times over. The reality is we have reduced the time to create a new template by over 60% so for us those are real savings.
We love the product and look forward to using it for a long time.
Kurt
PS. I recently invested in Morph thinking it might fill in some of these missing gaps. It was an awful experience. Their product is very limited and their support is almost non-existent. I abandoned that and continued full-bore with Artisteer and have never looked back.
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Paul
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I could understand the whining on this page if people had to pay $400 for the software, and another $200 for the upgrade. But for a piece of software that costs you $130, and upgrades that costs you $60 a year... I built a website in Artisteer a few weeks ago, and charged $350 for it. It took me an hour and a half to make. In one single website, I managed to pay for 2 years worth of updates for Artisteer AND pay myself over $100 an hour for the website. I have 0 complaints.
To make a basic site, you DON'T have to know HTML, CSS, Photoshop, or anything else. If you want a great site, invest some time and money in learning those things so you can supplement your work. To learn to make a theme for one CMS, let alone 4, would be a huge task for people who know little code. Like someone else said, if you want an amazing site, use Artisteer to take you 90% of the way. You'll have to go the last 10% on your own legs.
Keep up the good work, Extensoft!
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Joshua Atlee
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Both Artiseer 2.5 and Artiseer 3 after completing all my adjustments and getting my design the way i want it, i save the file, exit artiseer reload it, reload the template and settings do not get loaded, no error, just refreshes back to a default template. both versions.
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Nathan
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My only problem with 3.0 so far is they still have not added the DNN Logo 
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Ron
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I agree with Paul, for $129, there's absolutely nothing to complain about!
We can only hope the developers of Artisteer ignore the rantings of the lunatics above and continue the good work.
Having said that, creating multiple article and block styles would be a great feature as well...
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Denis
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Just a little "pause" on the subject... 
Quote John:
... Nobody can tell that was Artisteer generated.
Not true... if you take a quick peak at the source code, you can see easily that it is Artisteer generated template:
<!-- <div class="art-sheet-tl"></div> <div class="art-sheet-tr"></div> <div class="art-sheet-bl"></div> <div class="art-sheet-br"></div> <div class="art-sheet-tc"></div> <div class="art-sheet-bc"></div> <div class="art-sheet-cl"></div> <div class="art-sheet-cr"></div> <div class="art-sheet-cc"></div> --> <!-- <div class="art-sheet"> <div class="art-sheet-body" style="padding:0px"> <div class="art-header"> <div class="art-header-jpeg"></div>--> <!--<div class="art-logo">
... the "art" everywhere!  
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denis
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will
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It is a really good product for the price and it has cut my development time massively. Now that it can finally do module suffixes and hopefully someday page suffixes as well is is even better. If you know some html and css you can really get some awesome results, unlike a lot of the rubbish ones you can find on here.
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Paul
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I read some of this thread whilst i was downloading version 3.0 and was a little disappointed that not much has changed. I'm glad i ignored people as 3.0 is a big improvement for me. Fluid layouts, custom module suffixes are the two things i wanted most of all. Also very impressed that you can now build full HTML sites directly through artisteer rather than having to suffer the slowness of using dreamweaver with the templates.
To be honest, i'm struggling to work out what people were expecting from this version that isn't there? People say they want more headers/menus/etc, but the whole point is you can customise them all exactly as you want. You don't have to use the presets. Frankly, if you are too lazy to even play with custom settings to get the look you want, then you shouldn't be doing web design at all. I suspect some people have never built a joomla template from scratch before and have no idea just how involved and how long it takes.
"i dreamed of making templates like the ones from rocket theme or other paying websites" - If it was so simple to make templates like that and sell them for £50-£100 a go, do you not think everyone would be doing it?
I think a lot of people need to get realistic. This is a brilliant tool for very little money at all.
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madboss972
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ok i see that my topic is making clans between the artisteers users ..
some want more from it and others are satified..
well thats good to know that we all love this software ..
keep up the good work and keep the forum alive ..
Quote :If it was so simple to make templates like that and sell them for £50-£100 a go, do you not think everyone would be doing it? ... thats a point, didnt see it that way , but we want something close to those !
To the new users , u may join use soon after making some website that looks the same .. there will just be an empty filling of more .... LOL
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Chase
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I love the software and will keep using it as it greatly slashes development/mockup time, but I agree with Denis, you can see easily that a design Artisteer generated. First in looks as they are quite distinguishable and also in the source code.
A feature I would love to see is the ability (from within Artisteer) to change the universal class name prefixes that are in the output i.e. "art-sheet-whatever".
Im aware that this is done to prevent conflicts with other class names that may be introduced into the design, but it would be nice to have a feature that allows us to put in our own class name prefix.
I think many more developers would buy the software if this was implemented.
Just my 2C
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Ardoris
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Quote Chase:
A feature I would love to see is the ability (from within Artisteer) to change the universal class name prefixes that are in the output i.e. "art-sheet-whatever".
Im aware that this is done to prevent conflicts with other class names that may be introduced into the design, but it would be nice to have a feature that allows us to put in our own class name prefix.
I think many more developers would buy the software if this was implemented.
Just my 2C
Yes.
This would be good to have.
However, you can do this manually.
Just open files and replace "art-sheet-whatever" with your own.
Please, how many people will look for source code?
I would imagine it would be less than 1%
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Peter
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Strange...
Why is it so important what class names you can find in CSS?
The only real reason I can think of is that you do not want your clients to know their site was developped with Artisteer. 
Or is there an other real reason which I did not think of??
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Chase
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Yeah it's not that important, not nearly as important as say fluid designs which is the big benefit of this upgrade. So I don't know why some are disappointed with it.
I was just adding that would be a nice touch to have the class change option in there because some are saying there is no way you can tell it's from Atristeer, but you can.
Of course you can change classes manually but if you create many designs it's a pain to do so with them all, even if you wanted to.
I used to just code all mysql/php/xhtml/css in gEdit then moved on to a multitude of different IDE's and just nothing out there has the easy learning curve of this program.
So the only reason I would want to change these things is so clients wouldn't think less of me as a developer, if they knew I was using something they could easily master themselves.
Anyway, i'm happy with this new version, it also seems a lot faster to me - has anyone else noticed this?
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Smaz
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So, if you want to change the art- to something else - or bulk change class names - there *IS* such a thing as find and replace.
For the price, the hours and hours of time it saves me each year are amazing! Where else can you just click and get design changes suggested.
I would like to see, within Artisteer, the ability to have a header / footer region which is not a part of the sheet. But, if I really want it, I make the changes myself.
Having Artisteer do 80-90% of the hard work is just great by me. I've also developed automated processes to take an Artisteer HTML template and change it into a template for several other products. In Q1 2011 I'll be making that service available.
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wp
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In my opinion if you do the site right, even with Artisteer then then there is no way a client should think that they could do it themselves.
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