Dave B
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Just out of curiosity, how many people think that a template program should be a website builder?
Or at least kept completely separate if they are in the same program?
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2ninerniner2
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The original concept was ideal!
Artisteer should NOT be a website builder! Export as HTML and that's IT!
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Bing
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Artisteer should AND IS also a web site builder. Accept it or find another software.
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Google
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HELL NO!
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MikeM
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The software is advertised on the homepage as a website builder as well.
Don't see the issue here myself. If it can make coffee and breakfast for me I'm cool with that. (just kidding!!)
Artisteer isn't, and can't be a persons only workflow, however it seems some people are hooked on it and tend to rely on it too much. That being said it throws people off when the developers appear to add bloat. For me it's not an issue as I would rather have more options even with the bloat.
Mike
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Giggeek.com
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If you want a website software you buy Dreamweaver, its been the industry standard for years if you want to make things for content management systems than you get Artisteer. I've been a html programmer when AOL was the only way people connected to the internet and I've seen a crud load of change. Content management systems are the way of the future and going back to plain on html sites are not a option if you don't want to spend hours programming plausible query terms into a database. Luckily Joomla, WordPress Blogger do that for you. So why in the world would you want plain old html site with no way of searching content? Do you like manually entering in data for hours?
The answer is NO. Heck No. Let Artisteer grow the way it was first envisioned.
Artisteer is great because it allows you to program for all the different content management systems at once allowing multiple levels of deployment based on user preferences, including standard html for lame site that don't need many pages. By using the CMS your are further enabled to use plugins by programmers for things like SEO, to Pinterest, things most individuals would half to write there own scripts for themselves. It just doesn't make since financially to waste time rebuilding the wheel when most of the stuff already exists by other programmers.
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abc
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2ninerniner2, I agree with you!!!!! Artisteer should be a THEME BUILDER not web site builder and editor.
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Tom
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Did somebody call for the Whambulance?
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Glen
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I love the idea of the layouts inside of the new artisteer. Obviously there were some layout and styling bugs when exporting to Wordpress (I don't know if there were issues with the other CMS exports).
With the new weebly export it's not really needed but it I look forward to using it for my wordpress templates.
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Peter S
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Yes. Keep it and build on it further.
People don't like change, that's obvious, but if Extensoft get this right then it could be amazing.
The ability to import content means I can build an entire site offline, completely local, before launching. Without the need of having to export databases and other messing around.
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Mike
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Pretty straight forward....
If you like the content building aspect...utilize it. If you think Artisteer should be simply a theme builder, then build themes.
Personally, change is inevitable....the long days of hand coding entire sites are slowly coming to an end - whether or not you want to believe that is your prerogative, but it's true, might as well face it.
I agree with Peter, done right, this could be phenomenal.
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Dave B
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Quote Peter S:
People don't like change, that's obvious, but if Extensoft get this right then it could be amazing.
Change can be good but is inevitable and unavoidable. I am all for it myself.
Quote :if Extensoft get this right
This is the part I am concerned about. Not the change part.
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Giosafat
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Artisteer has lost its way; first, I believe that the creation of html sites using this kind of interface is great but would be better to separate the type of template (like in artisteer 3), and I think absurd the creation of contents for CMS directly inside artisteer; why should I use a cms if then I create content using a local software? In these cases I can do a static html site.
Artisteer should NOT be a website builder!
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PixiTrix
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I prefer the old method. I do not create content in Artisteer. If they are going to keep the ability to create content, then I think they should make an option screen when loading the program which type of platform you want to work in AND whether you want to create a site with content or without.
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Pete
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Artisteer is doing the right thing, I build static web sites then when a client wants either Joomla or Wordpress he can get it and the site will look more or less the same. For heavens sake what is wrong with that ???
People just grumble because they cannot get their own way - I don't want many features in artisteer but use it for my purposes only, I don't say a word because it does what I want, well almost, I then tweak with Dreamweaver. When time is ready for Wordpress I export for that CMS ...
We cannot all have our cake and eat it too  
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rj
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I think I'm going to like this "website" feature because now I can create CMS templates as well as templates for the CMS Newsletter systems (which often has static information).
I'm not sure why anyone would be concerned when an application has extra features, but they should be concerned what the finished product results are. My main concern is with the templates that v4 creates in general. Just how efficient are they? How much extra bloat code is there in a template? Is there mobile support?
end results - that's the important thing.
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Sam
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I like the content thing on importing Wordpress.
It would also be nice to have an "Elements View" page like there was before to check the style of the elements.
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DaveOzric
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Quote rj:
I'm not sure why anyone would be concerned when an application has extra features, but they should be concerned what the finished product results are. My main concern is with the templates that v4 creates in general. Just how efficient are they? How much extra bloat code is there in a template? Is there mobile support?
end results - that's the important thing.
That is really the only concern for a CMS template. Mixing them together is what seems to be adding bloat. Popups, slideshows, etc. Make that an option and everything is starting to look good. Hands down rather use my CMS editor to create popups or what have you. It seems the code in the script is added, to say Joomla, either way. Disappointing.
The more the merrier with a html output. This is where these new features will really stand out. Although I have never made one with this yet, but will try after 4 is released proper.
I really want to see all the CMS features supported asap. Before all this new garble gook is added.
Either way, focus on clean code, less bloat and current standards. The rest is just frosting.
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Sam
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Quote Sam:
I like the content thing on importing Wordpress.
It would also be nice to have an "Elements View" page like there was before to check the style of the elements.
Like I said I do like the export with content feature.
But...
I end up making changes to the content when the site is live, so it would be nice if I could also import that content back into the .artx file from Wordpress...
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Nick
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I agree with Sam. And the only reason I would build the content in Artisteer is because of the excellent page layout tools. They can give you a nice starting point for your cms project. To be honest, I don't understand what the big fuss is really all about. Obviously, since content management was first introduced with 3.0, they are also going after Dreamweaver, Frontpages, etc... and the content editing features are only going to get more mature and better with every version. On surface, it seems to be a good business decision.
Importing content from WordPress back into the .artx file would be interesting, although I can't really see that happening anytime soon. Artisteer could also be used as a WordPress CONTENT migration tool in that case, although there are many other tools that can do the job better (lift the entire installation, not just the content).
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DHTech
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Just my 2cents, I find it useful when designing a template for Joomla to add a little content to see what it looks like, if Artisteer can then import what I've add then all the better.
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Dave B
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Then why no spellchecker? Dreamweaver, Frontpage, etc all have it. Really any other program does this.
This would mainly be for the html side since that is computer based creation. Seems like a no brainer.
Creating in Word or whatever and then pasting is any extra step that should not be necessary.
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GCG
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No
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Pete
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I love it!
It's a great time saver. If your doing sites for clients and managing them you can give them any design layout they want and then when it needs editing its as easy asy logging in and ....... voila!
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Dave B
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Quote Pete:
I love it!
It's a great time saver. If your doing sites for clients and managing them you can give them any design layout they want and then when it needs editing its as easy asy logging in and ....... voila!
What type of sites are you creating? I hear people like this for Wordpress but Joomla?
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Pete
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Quote Dave B:
What type of sites are you creating? I hear people like this for Wordpress but Joomla?
Dave, I'm using WP. Haven't tried with Joomla.
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Dave B
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Quote :National Salt & Supply
That makes sense. I have been hearing WP designers have use for this. Joomla is not so much. So the separation of website types would be a welcome return feature.
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Ian
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No one has mentioned the check box in the Export facility. If you don't want content - don't check the box. Having the option is obviously appreciated by many. If you don't want it - don't use it!
Personally I prefer to organise Joomla layouts with either core category blogs or K2 but it really doesn't bother me if folk want to do that in Artisteer. I like the slideshow in header feature. That saves a heap of time and messing about.
Content layout IS useful when showing putative designs to clients in Artisteer - people just do not have the ability to see past what is actually on the page.
Then again, I create sites locally using WAMP and upload using Akeeba backup (which is really no different to a standard Joomla! upload) so tend to demo the 'real' site that way.
However - Artisteer is a pretty lumpy piece of software and takes its time to do its stuff, so I can appreciate the bloat argument. Waiting 30 seconds for an editing change to take effect is pretty irritating and I've had 4.0 crash a few times. Here's hoping Beta 2 and the RC will be slicker.
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Marco
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@SAM:
There IS a Site like you wrote. It's called "controls"
There you can find all Things like checkbox, searchfield, inputbox, etc...
And its wonderful, you can change The colors, e.g. For the inputfield...
Yesterday i finished a First Site for joomla WITH content Build in artisteer.
I like it !!! And its responsive Layout Sinne beta2.
ArtisteerTeam: Great Great Job, cant wait for beta2 and The STABLE!
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Nick
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One solution who don't like all the "bloatware" is to make a separate custom made plugin for Joomla, or whatever other cms..., and export what you want with that plugin...
The real question is , who knows to make plugins for Artisteer? For at least 2 months now Artisteer is working on some e-commerce plugins, and no results yet... on the other hand, the Joomla plugin is already there, all you have to do, is modify it. That should finally be a happy ending to this, perhaps? come to think about it, Artisteer should provide us with 2 plugins for each supported cms, one with everything in it, and one with just the template essentials, no content, no bloatware.
Anyone has better ideas to keep everyone happy?
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