Robert
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Hello,
How do you do with Artisteer if you are doing websites for customers and you want them to design their sites. You ask them to buy artisteer?
Even just for 1 site?
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calsnoboarder
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If you have one customer that wants a site designed and you don't plan on EVER using this application after creating that single template, I would imagine that isn't very cost effective. You're better off either designing the template yourself (provided you know php, html, css, photoshop, etc) and charging them an hourly fee, or buying an off the shelf design (lots of sites sell cms and blogging templates for as little as $20 US).
This software is easy to use, but it is still targeted to either do it yourself business owners who want to control their web presence from the top down, or for web developers who will easily make back the cost of this software by offering a design service to their clients.
Can't afford the cost or if you don't want to pass the cost along to your clients, don't buy it... there are many many other alternatives for people who don't want to purchase the software...
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Robert
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As for me, I already paid for that product. But I intended to let some clients do themselves their design. And I was wandering if I had to let them work at my desk or let them buy the product so they will have plenty of times to do it.
So I was wandering about good practice.
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Calsnoboarder
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Well, technically the license is for the machine. So long as you installed it on one machine with your license and not multiple machines, anyone can sit at your workstation and work with the app.
It is only when they want to work at their own machines that they will need to purchase a new license.
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Dan
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When the Magician Reveals the secret, NO ONE wants a ticket to the show anymore. This means if your so called clients know what and how you do things, then they Dont NEED You and can do it themselves. Your Value has Just Sank Faster then the Titanic.
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Robert
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I agree
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Valics Lehel
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I can suggest as a feature to offer to companies (who boght the product) to order sub-licenses. FOr example I get 10 sublicense for ex 50USD (5USD/license).
Client download Artisteer, install it, enter sublicense code activate it, BUT if there is a mater license assigned to it, then cannot save more then 3 artisteer file. Only 3 artisteer file can be saved, then will become again TRIAL. Also this sublicense cannot EXPORT, just save and send the file to us.
In this way, I can send my 3 proposal to the client, he choose one and if want, do some small changes, then send back to me and I do the programming.
We have a lot of users who want to do the design and we convert to our CMS compatible.
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Dave Porter
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@valics - sorry way too complicated !
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Dave Porter
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Hi Valics,
I don't mean complicated in implementing it, but having a convoluted licensing system is too complicated !
Just remember the KISS principle....
cheers Dave
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SaaS
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One way to get rid of:
-licensing issues
-illegal downloads and cracks
-lost keys
-compatibility issues with Mac and Linux
-PC-crashes
-Artisteer not properly closing ...
is to turn Artisteer into SaaS (Software as a Service). The only thing Artisteer does is ... creating web-related files ... So why not do it online?
In this scenario Artisteer would not have to distribute huge 60 MB files. And we don't have to upgrade every couple of weeks. Artisteer just provides a login/password and a fee structure. You need only 1 template? You pay for only 1 template. You want unlimited access and use? You pay online for a unlimited membership. Very easy.
Artisteer could add 100's of additional foreground and background images, why not, at an extra cost... At least it wouldn't blow up the download. Artisteer would save a lot of money and time by no longer facing installation/upgrading issues whatsoever.
Think about it. SaaS is one of the fastest growing segments of the IT industry.
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Len
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I know that for Drupal some guy is developing a SaaS environment. You can easily create themes on his site.
But i still prefer a client on my own Desktop.
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Abert
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I think making a SaaS out of this would be not smart, as it will cost you:
- A lot of time to build (think of months/year) development work
- If you start charging per template, the marges will be so small, will not work
- To build Artisteer online will be complex and time consuming
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SaaS
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SaaS more difficult and more expensive? Quite on the contrary. That is the whole idea behind it! Developing a desktop application is much more complex and time consuming these days. Web development is the future of programming in general. Well, it is for a decade now...
Check out http://www.dotemplate.com/. Artisteer could offer a similar website.
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calsnoboarder
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There are a lot of software applications that would benefit both the developer and end use as an SaaS option. Artisteer isn't one of them though... to develop the system, develop the payment gateway, create the gui, etc would cost quite a bit. Charging someone for one time use (which, lets face it, most people would do only if it was super cheap.. like below $5 per use) would then lower the inherent value of the software package. I doubt that artisteer would EVER see their investment returned (ROI is obviously the key to any successful business). To set up the SaaS system would cost thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars and it would take years just to make that investment back... No, i disagree with anyone who thinks an SaaS portal for Artisteer is a good idea... perhaps for the end user, but definitely not for the developers. I'm of the mindset that if you can't afford this software as is, or you think it is too expensive, don't buy it and hire a designer (who'll charge you probably at least as much as the price of this software for ONE template).
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G
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Is there a reason the client can't download the demo, produce an artx file, and just email it to someone who has a paid version of Artisteer?
Then the person who has working copy of Artisteer can generate the theme without the watermark and just email it back to the client.
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Dave Porter
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@G - works for me !
( as in the principle, not implying I am doing that !)
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Joe H
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@ Dan
The "secret"..... is Artisteer......
Not YOUR expertise , not YOUR ability to liaise with the client,
not YOUR color sense, not YOUR design talent, not YOUR ability
to implement css changes......
All those things don't matter.... the "secret" is Artisteer.
Ok then....  
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Amin
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Quote Robert:
As for me, I already paid for that product. But I intended to let some clients do themselves their design. And I was wandering if I had to let them work at my desk or let them buy the product so they will have plenty of times to do it.
So I was wandering about good practice.
you are showing your clients how easy is to do themselves their website design.... so... your plan... is NOT to make money, right?
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Robert
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I don't intend to use Artisteer and say I am an artist myself.
I don't intend to earn money on design but on website itself.
But I must say it was a mistake to let people do it. Next time, I do myself the design and let change a few things with clients.
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Paul
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Hi,
Can the home edition license export a trial joomla template
Thanks,
Paul
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Andrew
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The Home edition does not allow Joomla template/theme export.
Give the trial a go. You get to try out both editions in the one trial - the splash screen comes up and says "Try Home Edition | Try Standard Edition.
See this link for the different editions and which templates/files they export.
http://www.artisteer.com/?p=purchase
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Garry
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@ Paul
You'll need to have Standard edition in order to export your designs as Joomla templates, you can visit following page for more details: http://www.artisteer.com/?p=purchase
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Isak
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I can't sell websites designed with Artisteer to clients? That makes the application useless. Who would buy this software to design a single website for their own use/company? There are a lot of better and cheaper options for that purpose out there. The whole concept of the Artisteer invites to mass produce templates fast.
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Isak
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Nevermind, I obviously misunderstood :)
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AdamR
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Quote G:
Is there a reason the client can't download the demo, produce an artx file, and just email it to someone who has a paid version of Artisteer?
Then the person who has working copy of Artisteer can generate the theme without the watermark and just email it back to the client.
Would've worked before. Notes in 2.3 says the following:
"Artisteer projects can no longer be saved in trial mode (trial users will need to purchase the product to be able to save projects)."
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DevoDog
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Can a client purchase the home version and output an artx file which can then be converted to a Joomla/DNN template by someone with the full version?
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Garry
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I think you can do it, but you should confirm it from Artisteer support.
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