SLOW as Molassas in DREAMWEAVER


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Elizabeth

Posted: 9/26/2008
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What is going on with my page in Dreamweaver? I cannot make a change to ANYTHING without the program hanging for 30 seconds to a minute. I mean I cannot hit a paragraph return or insert an image. This program is unusable as it is. I need answers or my money returned.
 
Johan

Posted: 10/23/2008
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<<After all, why would you use a WYSIWYG editor like Dreamweaver to modify a template you create in a WYSIWYG template creator like Artisteer? Create the template in Dreamweaver and edit it in Dreamweaver.>>

May be because half the world is usingg dreamweaver.....

 
Marc Smith

Posted: 10/23/2008
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Half the world may be using Dreamweaver, but if you know what Dreamweaver is and what it's limitations are (and there are plenty, which is why I don't use it at all), you can get around pretty much anything.


 
Johan

Posted: 10/30/2008
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What do you mean exactly with "you can get around pretty much anything"?

IJohan
 
Tony

Posted: 11/4/2008
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I am having the same problem with dreamweaver so I decided to narrow down the problem by removing code until dreamweaver works properly. What I found is the CSS sheet is causing the problem.

Apparently the CSS artisteer generates is NOT Compliant with any versions of CSS and generates hundreds of errors when you validate the CSS code. Artisteer may be XHTML compliant but who cares if it cannot generate compliant CSS code.

When I remove the link to the style sheet the page loads and dreamweaver does not hang. I would not blame dreamweaver for this but the invalid CSS code that Artisteer generates..
 
Adam P

Posted: 11/4/2008
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Maybe you should narrow it more than just CSS in general. If you remove "position:relative" from CSS then it will be fast in Dreamweaver. So it has nothing to do with validation and must be Dreamweaver problem.
CSS is probably valid except for IE6 fixes that your validator may not understand.
 
Marc Smith

Posted: 11/23/2008
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Artisteer, to be clear, doesn't blame Dreamweaver.

Users like myself and others understand that you can built a template in one application, import it into Dreamweaver and have Dreamweaver completely hose the code and CSS.

And, as explained in another thread, the CSS that Artisteer generates does need to be tweaked (and I showed an example of a Artisteer template done for Wordpress that was completely W3C compliant).

If you are working in high end tools like Dreamweaver or Photoshop or similar, you really need to know how to use those tools to their best ability. If you don't know how to debug CSS code or HTML code, then that not an issue with the software.

Dreamweaver writes bloated code that is not SEO friendly at all. The rollovers and DHTML it generates is buggy at best and it's CSS is questionable most of the time. I gave up on that tool a long time ago and haven't looked back.

So, go validate you code via a W3C site, tweak the code, then drag it into Dreamweaver, I am sure it will work fine.
 
Dsign

Posted: 10/2/2009
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Quote Marc Smith:

If you are working in high end tools like Dreamweaver or Photoshop or similar,


oh my......

dreamweaver OR photoshop? hmmm. now i wonder hoe you really work with your designs.

i'm using dreamweaver, photoshop, illustrator and fireworks. my workflow gives me PURE code. things said above are not true. Artistreer makes a cocktail of the code. layers on layers and "dirt" everywhere.

statements like above are only a way to gloss over the real problem which lies within Artisteer.

Artisteer is a wonderful tool, but ONLY for inspiration and NOTHING else.
fix the code and then we can talk about remaining problems. right now you're stealing money from people who doesn't know better.

sorry, but this is the REAL truth
 
Dsign

Posted: 10/4/2009
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Quote :

• Design awesome WordPress Blogs, professional Joomla! and Drupal templates, and cool Website designs in Minutes

• With Artisteer YOU immediately become a Web design expert


Dave Porter, you want to talk about the quoted statements in legal terms?

you're right, nobody's forcing me to by this product. although this product isn't aimed at people like myself but rather people who don't know anything about web design and therefore not aware of the existing problems.
i wouldn't call a horde of DIV tags an "excellent template".

i am happy with the product but as i already pointed out for inspiration purposes only. translation of divs into trs would make this much more usable

anyway, so why am i writing all this you may ask?
well, i'm not an egoistic individual who only think about what he can or can not use. this is a very important and informative thread for people who DO NOT understand the problematic issues. some of us or at least trying to make the world a better place...

i think the least Artisteer could do is include a text like; "NOT COMPATIBLE WITH FOLLOWING WEB DESIGN APPLICATIONS: 1. bla 2. bla 3. bla...."

cheerio
 
Dave Porter

Posted: 10/4/2009
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Hi Dsign,

No I am not remotely interested in talking about the quoted statements in legal terms - why should I ?

Can I suggest you continue your discussions directly with Artisteer via the official feedback to them via the support link in the left menu.

All the best - Dave Porter
 
Sin67

Posted: 10/24/2009
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Yes dreamweaver handles artisteer badly. But I took the advise of Tony and put the CSS in a file folder called CSS (funny enough) and edited my clients content in . Then when done, I just took the css files and put them back in the original folder. Tested it, and everything was fine.
I had been having trouble with dreamweaver shutting down lately so I tried some free WYSIWYG editors off the net recently. They handled artisteer much better. But I am afraid I have got so used to dreamweaver, I found them a bit slow. But If you are a newbee I would bother paying for dreamweaver.
I love artisteer so much I believe like Johan said "you can get around pretty much anything"
Artisteer is my Music. My customer adds the lyrics ( which I add in a WYSIWYG editor like dreamweaver) then I load my song on to the net. And with the help of artiseer hopefully it will be a big hit.
 
djuqa

Posted: 1/6/2010
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Artisteer is an application to create templates that work with WP/Joomla and so on DIRECTLY
NOT an editor to create files that are to be loaded into NightWeaver for changes.



 
bikeman

Posted: 1/17/2010
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Quote Marc Smith:

Dreamweaver is a tool that does not like ANY code that is not written within Dreamweaver....


That's bullshit - your view is based upon either hearsay or you have experience of a very old version of DW (poor code was an issue a very long time ago). FYI Adobe personel are very active defining html/css/PHP etc standards and as a consequence the code that DW writes is now very good.

DW is the tool of choice for professional web designers such as myself for a reason and that reason is it is the best tool for the job.

I am not going to sell it to you because I don't think you want to know but as a professional web designer I hand write html/css and then work within DW, not for the wysiwyg editor (although that does make content changes easier) but because of it's workflow (templating, file management, code completion etc).

In my experience DW has no trouble with any html/css I have written myself or code obtained form any other source. It only has a problem with Artisteer code.

I have discussed this directly with Adobe and the reason for this is that Artisteer's code contains an excessive amount of nested tags.

The css that Artisteer writes may validate but that doesn't mean it is not bloated.

As the whole point of Artisteer, is to easily create templates it doesn't make sense for it to produce code that can't be edited by the industry standard html editor - Dreamweaver.

Those behind Artisteer need to either fix the issues with Dreamweaver or drop any notion that Artisteer can be used for html websites.

 
Mark

Posted: 2/3/2010
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P.S. - What a sad indictment against your company. The first post of this thread was dated 9-26-08 and here it is a year-and-a-half later and this problem still exists. What are you guys smoking? My coders would have fixed that major issue in 30 days or less.

I had my credit card in hand and was ready to buy until I loaded one of the trial templates into DreamWeaver and saw how completely hosed it was. All I can say is "good luck" trying to tell everyone that it's Adobe's problem. That line is obviously not working.

:-(
 
James

Posted: 2/4/2010
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Dreamweaver is for those that don't know how to code.

All any real web developer needs is photoshop and notepad.

Period.

Artisteer is fine. It saves a lot of time and I can edit all the css quickly in notepad. I don't need any WYSIWYG editor doing my part for me.


 
Mark

Posted: 2/6/2010
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Quote James:

Dreamweaver is for those that don't know how to code.

All any real web developer needs is photoshop and notepad.


There is a difference between a coder and a designer. Some designers know how to code, and some coders know how to design. It's a big world, and millions of corporate web designers use Dreamweaver. To exclude and demean its users is no different than if you excluded and demeaned Wordpress users.
 
James

Posted: 2/9/2010
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Quote Mark:

Quote James:

Dreamweaver is for those that don't know how to code.

All any real web developer needs is photoshop and notepad.


There is a difference between a coder and a designer. Some designers know how to code, and some coders know how to design. It's a big world, and millions of corporate web designers use Dreamweaver. To exclude and demean its users is no different than if you excluded and demeaned Wordpress users.



Wordpress is a CMS Dreamweaver is a wsyiwyg editor.

Know the difference. What are you gonna use a wysiwyg for when everything is in the style sheets. Just stick to your tables and dreamweave and leave the css to artisteer.
 
Jack

Posted: 2/14/2010
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I Don`t understand the discussion here.
Dreamweaver is a standard webdesign tool since times ago and absolutely conform with standard if you know how to use this editor.

At last the problem is, that artisteer gives an export option for the templates as html which is fine.

But to go ahead with the exported template you need dreamweaver or another wysiwig editor( if you aren`t code xpert) to create additional sites from the produced template, add hyperlinks, add menu items, add content and images...a wysiwig editor makes that very easier than to hardcode it by hand with a text editor.

For content management systems you don`t have this problem because all content ist managed by the ms system...

What is the solution to use dreamweaver with artisteer html templates ?
 
Paul

Posted: 3/27/2010
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@Elizabeth, (original poster)

Dreamweaver is a resource hungry beast and tends to crash every now and then especially if you are coding php on a dev box and you have Photoshop open, your email app and a browser running.

You didn't mention what you were working on: Joomla, WP, Drupal .Net or a basic HTML page. A bit more info would help the guys at Artisteer solve your issue. I found doing a full PC shutdown and restart fixes D/W memory problems.

@supergoodle,

SEO relies on about 40% good code and 60% on content. In saying that all the sites I have created in Artisteer have valid XHTML and CSS! Pretty cool. The problems usually occur when you add content to your pages and don't conform. Try leaving out an alt tag and see how your pages validate...

A static site I built with Artisteer was ranked on the first page of Google in under 10 days for quite a few search terms, this = a very, very happy client.

For what it's worth, this week just gone I have built five commercial websites (each with two concepts), using Photoshop, Artisteer and Notepad. One site was static HTML and four others were WP sites.

I've been building websites for 12 years and have used D/W, Komodo, Notepad, Context etc etc. Artisteer is possibly the best thing since sliced bread. With a good understanding of web coding, you can push the boundaries very quickly using Artisteer.

Once you generate your pages it's up to you what you want to manually edit... this is where people will come undone if they can't code.

Since buying Artisteer I've uninstalled Dreamweaver, don't need it. Frankly, I don't know too many professional developers who use it. Sorry Adobe...

Everyone has their favourite tools, and @ the moment mine is Artisteer.

Happy designing! :-)

Paul
 
gr33nman

Posted: 5/28/2010
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It's the end of May and they still don't have a fix for this.
I like Artisteer, but Dreamweaver simplifies coding immensely.
It would be nice to create the look and feel in artisteer and be able to manipulate it to something useable in Dreamweaver.

So -- how about "export to Dreamweaver Template"?

Please?
 
Mark

Posted: 7/4/2010
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This glitch has actually turned out to be a blessing for me - it has forced me to learn code better instead of relying on the GUI.
 
Garry

Posted: 9/12/2010
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Live view of DW CS5 display the Artisteer templates perfectly fine.
 
OUZ

Posted: 11/25/2010
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Hello peoples, I am a from Turkey, Ok ok good work and Not problem Artisteer for Editor Super Not slow, not problem ok good bye, and I am speaking problem sory Peoples, I am your good help work, And DW very problem I am not love DW, I am a coder, I love you World, I love you Peoples :-)

Artisteer for Editor Name : KompoZer

 
ouz

Posted: 11/25/2010
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In the meantime, do you think I'm prepared to site design and interface design. I am a Turkey and I am a Web Master work, God work people...:-P

My Artisteer Site Link : www.ilanvermekistiyorum.org


 
ouz

Posted: 11/25/2010
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Quote ouz:

In the meantime, do you think I'm prepared to site design and interface design. I am a Turkey and I am a Web Master work, God work people...:-P

My Artisteer Site Link :
<a href="http://www.ilanvermekistiyorum.org">  </a>





 
Still The Same Problems

Posted: 2/14/2012
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Four years later an Artisteer is still blaming Adobe for the slow (snail crawl) response in DW.
 
RTWright

Posted: 3/2/2012
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I've been a web developer since long before there was Illustrator, let alone Dreamweaver ( Which was not always Adobe's product as we all remember Macromedia ). I never used it when it first came out, I still don't use it. It's what's called a choice, which is mine and mine alone to make.

That being said, as it was so graciously posted above, there are a lot of ways to create, debug, fix and take control of your content. I happen to know just because you're a "Professional" web designer, does not mean you're using Dreamweaver, matter of fact almost all that I know? Don't use any kind of WYSIWYG editors, not even for work flow reasons. They run a lot of batch processes that they coded themselves inside of Linux for their redundant codes and do all the HTML by hand as well as the customized CSS.

Just about any program that does the code for you, is going to tend to over-bloat the coding if you aren't the one writing it. Sure Dreamweaver is a good program, wont knock it, but it's not Artisteer's job, or concern in my opinion to work alongside it either. Their program's main claim is to build QUICK and EASY templates for WP, Joomla and a few other CSM's out there. It is not and was not even sold as the end all be all web development platform.

It's doing exactly what it's design is for. If it was all of that? I promise you'd be paying a LOT more for it than what they're charging for it. As others have said, design it in one and edit in another works fine as long as you know what to look for and do not expect the two to play nicely with each other. After all, one is made by Adobe and the other is NOT! I've yet to see software from two different companies ever gel 100% at all, to expect that is just nuts.

Personally Artisteer does what I need it to do and it's fine how it goes about it. If I wanted to get down and dirty and design it from the ground up and make it my code? I would not even start with Artisteer and for that matter not Dreamweaver either, again my choice. There are just as good code based editors for everything out there that aren't Dreamweaver. You'd be surprised to know just how many DON'T use DW!