HB
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Did we really "need" CREATOR? For Joomla, we didn't need any of the plug-ins that CREATOR offers. Hope the programmers didn't waste time with it and leave ARTISTEER's improvements sitting out in the cold like an orphan.
Artisteer needs some more attention to make it a better functioning product.
Would rather have seen Artisteer MOBILE come about whereby we could design mobile apps with native layouts, content, etc. and deploy them via PhoneGap, etc. etc.
CREATOR and that connection with upteen million photos we really didn't need.
Can we get ARTISTEER ramped up better and a mobile compatibility built into it.
Just an observation from a Day One Artisteer User and a Joomla! Expert.
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www
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I gave up. All the time gladly updated yearly licence, but not for long time now.
Artisteer, Billion Themler, Createer. So confusing and have no clue what future of Artisteer will be.
Seems as whole situation in Ukraine affected Artisteer deeply.
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@ HB
Even though Themler and BillionWhatever doesn't meet your needs, it's becoming very popular with many others. If you look at the Themler forums there's a lot of activity and doing quite well.
Many argue that Themler and Createer have a ways to go. That's true but it's where the company has decided to focus on like it or not. They even mention about creating a standalone version that runs on your desktop instead of the cloud. To me, that could eventually become Artisteer's replacement.
@ www
I don't think the situation in Ukraine had anything to do with Artisteer's slow down and I would argue, there isn't really a too much of a slow down. Here's their point release schedule over the years:
Artisteer 4.3 - August 27, 2014
Artisteer 4.2 - November 4, 2013
Artisteer 4.1 - February 21, 2013
Artisteer 4.0 - September 29, 2012
Artisteer 3.1 - November 30, 2011
Artisteer 3.0 - June 2, 2011
I would argue their development has actually increase substantially but it's all now towards Themler and where they're pushing out weekly updates.
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Me
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Quote 2-Cents:
I would argue their development has actually increase substantially but it's all now towards Themler and where they're pushing out weekly updates.
So basically your arguments says that Artisteer development has stopped and their team is now fully focused on the cloud.
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Quote Me:So basically your arguments says that Artisteer development has stopped and their team is now fully focused on the cloud.
I don't have any insider information. What I am saying is that Artisteer development has stayed the same, by and large.
I'm guessing that all we're going to get with Artisteer is maybe one more major new feature and a bunch of bug fixes in 2015.
I'm sure they're hoping to move all of their Artisteer clients over to Themler and they seem to be working really hard to making that happen.
Once they get the "Desktop Off-line" and "Support for Artisteer projects", I'm sure that will be the beginning of the end. I'm willing to bet that will happen this year (2015).
http://billionthemler.com/Features
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Dave B
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If they can make a better product that I can run on my $1,500 computer not some cloud deal, then by all means go for it.
I just NEED to be able to import my artx projects into it. The feature set looks good and hopefully more layout options including more responsive control.
I got frustrated at one point with the company due to some decisions they made but now it's seems foggy as to why exactly.
Gotta be a piece of computer software though, no cloud only option. That I won't believe works until I see it. Just never going to be as responsive as the computer I'll be using.
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Oleg
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"Cloud" is absolutely not Themler's purpose. The cloud only demonstrates how it works without need to install a theme.
The main idea is:
- to be theme editor that allows to edit theme instantly,
unlike theme generator that requires theme re-installation after each change
- to work with live CMS data
- to allow changing content directly in CMS,
unlike Artisteer that requires exporting content each time.
eCommerce requires even more content and depends on CMS.
- generally, to have better integration with CMS
- to use modern Bootstrap framework and modern CSS features
- to allow creating any layout and web design
You can use Themler on your hosting or on your local computer if you install CMS.
For now it looks like Themler had connected to CMS too often and this created performance issues,
now it is optimized and should be better with new versions.
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www
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It is still confusing. What are differences between Createer and Themler ?
And why two platforms, plus Artisteer.
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jrgweb
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@www
Createer is simply a content creator. Use it with any type of template design tool.
With the wordpress and joomla plugins,use createer with any template. Even if they aren't created with artisteer or themler.
Createer: drag and drop content creator. cloud based
Themler: template/theme creator. cloud based
Artisteer: automated template/theme creator. computer based
read more: https://beta2.createer.com/About
read more about wordpress plugin: https://beta2.createer.com/Wordpress
read more about joomla plugin: https://beta2.createer.com/Joomla
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MikeC
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Hi Guys,
Long time, no post. Decided to take a look at what's going on with Artisteer as a company and some of these new tools. It's definitely interesting. I like the direction but I don't like subscription service model. Regardless...
It just seems like Artisteer, Themler and Createer are made by 3 completely different companies. Instead, they should try to unify the development workflow. I can see people using all 3 of these tools during the development progress; especially once Themler can open and save artx files.
Anyway, I think a lot of the confusion has come from just how the products were named. All they had to do is rename things clearly and there would be no confusion.
For example:
Createer = Artisteer Page Builder
Themler = Artisteer Theme Builder
Artisteer = Artisteer Classic
Simple and I think everyone will now understand the differences correctly and where everything fits in, assuming I've understood it right. 
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www
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@jrgweb
Thanks.
Most problem with Createer as i see it and know by now is how to separate snippets (shortcodes) between several clients. If they insist eberything is on cloud then all client see all blocks/snippets. So one client see all price tables, regardless if just one fits with his theme design. Just example.
It will be confusing for them. And beside that, i dont want any client login in my cloud and use snippets.
http://tutorials.createer.com/Tutorial/1004/1015
If it is only some one time thing, make it and dont touch anymore i can skip it, dont need Createer.
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Monty
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I like using artisteer for WordPress shells. I use WordPress for the content that goes in those "shells". With WP-Tuxedo and Microthemer combined with Artisteer you can do some really great sites.
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Me
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Quote :...when Themler does it all.
Does it? You mean work like a real pc program and allow you to save your work and export offline?
Does it do those things?
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claudyaguerr
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Seems to me Themler has a future desk project, and, i ask at the forum there, if i have an Artisteer license i´ll have some promo when buy subscription there? And yes, now 40% off for who bought Artisteer.
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Me
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Quote 2-Cent:
There shouldn't be any great expectations for new features to be add into Artisteer when Themler does it all. 
I wanted to add no it doesn't even come close.
It cannot do paralax design and it cannot do full width panel designs like http://theme-fusion.com/avada/
I know I asked support.
Adobe Photoshop and Artisteer 4.1 still do more together than "Themler" will ever be able to do on it's own.
Peroid.
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@ Me
Why are you replying to me when www is saying Themler is 100 times better and 100 times more options than in Artisteer?
Besides, you mention the one thing Themler can't do yet but ignore all the things it can do, which Artisteer can't. You know, like support for VirtueMart. Magento. PrestaShop. The ability to run on any computer like a Mac or Linux.
Ya, it's slow and not quite ready for prime time. That's why it still in beta.
Take a look http://billionthemler.com/Features
Parallax is In Process. That's more than I can say for Artisteer where no new features are In Process.
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Me
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Quote :Besides, you mention the one thing Themler can't do yet but ignore all the things it can do, which Artisteer can't. You know, like support for VirtueMart. Magento. PrestaShop.
My company only sells wordpress sites.
Quote :The ability to run on any computer like a Mac or Linux
I've been running Artisteer on Linux since 2011. This is a non issue.
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I really don't see anything that I'm not already doing in wordpress.
If Artisteer were Photoshop then Themelr would be an online version of Gimp or Paintshop Pro.
All the controls are in weird places places and it's a bit Alien.
That's my 2 Cents. If you need more I have a whole piggy bank full.
Damn I wish there was $1000 offline Advanced Wordpress Theme Creation Software.
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Dude
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I have been using Artisteer for years and there isn't much you cant do with Artisteer. There is literally nothing in existence that can do what Artisteer is capable of, while giving you the freedom and control that comes along with it. There are other options, but have you tried them?
Themler is an an entirely different animal. A weaker animal in my opinion. Sure it has some new features that Artisteer doesn't have, but from my experience so far, I feel much less in control of the actual design, html and css. It just isn't nearly as intuitive.
Even the simplest things, like creating a nice navigation menu, sheet width etc are overly complicated and confusing with Themler. I cant even see the entire site that I am working on, because I still haven't figured out how to minimize the huge options bar on the left. It feels more like a page builder than a real design software. Plus it is all web based. How can I work on a project when i have no internet access?
Themler is a nice idea, but should never be considered as a replacement for Artisteer. The only thing that is appealing to me about Themler, is Woocommerce options and compatibility. But can I do what I can with the rest of the entire website, like I can with Artisteer? So far it isn't working out for me. I want to build custom sites and not cookie cutter sites with a cool slider or something. That is what plugins are for.
I don't want to invest countless hours learning a new software when I already have something that is perfectly fine. Maybe adding Woocommerce features (or at least compatibility) would have been nice, since Artisteer users have been begging for it for years. Apparently it wasn't that difficult, because the guys over at WP tuxedo did it.
A new product was not needed. Further development of the already wonderful and existing product is what was needed. It doesn't make sense to me. It's like spending years building a classic hot rod mustang, but stopping work half way through and buying a Honda. Sure it's newer and smells nicer, but a better car in the end? Probably not.
I sincerely hope that Themler will be a new option (because it has great potential) but not a replacement for something that doesn't need to be replaced. I genuinely hope that Artisteer developers will continue their work for years to come, because if not, we will lose something unique and useful to everyone who is serious about designing websites.
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@ Dude
Your post is one of the most thoughtful and articulate critiques of Themler I have read thus far.
I don't agree with everything in your post but I understand where you're coming from. We all have different needs and requirements that vary between Artisteer or Themler being the better fit.
It is also my hope that Artisteer continues, more features are added, bugs are squashed but that hasn't been the case. The company seems to have put all their eggs into Themler's basket, like it or not. Time will tell.
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Dave B
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Well if the company thinks Themler is going to be better how do we change their mind?
The only way this will be better is if it has ALL the features of Artisteer and all the things that need to be fixed too.
I don't think they can just close the door on the paying users and tell them to switch to a different program. If they do this it would be a huge mistake.
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www
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- If you buy licence now you get Desktop version fo free. So have they promiss.
- Forget about Artistter. nothing you learned there can help you in Themler. Clear your mind and learn again. They are completelly different.
- In Themler you get only options for this CMS/Platform, no necessary options you cannot / will not use.
- I like very much CSS separate options for border-left, margin-left, padding-left,everywhere...etc. Missed it so much in Artistter, allways did it manually in CSS
- Themler makes shop themes you wont be ashamed. Better than many commercial shop themes.
- Bootstrap takes care of centering things, giving blocks equal high. It drove me mad in Artisteer, all work was done manually and it was not easy at all. Different situations required different approach. Here is pall Bootstrap to take care of this and Themler. Dont know precise how, dont ask. But equal high of blocks is done with Themler. No manual coding anymore. (Blogs, Grids, etc)
- Some thing doesnt work, can be done manually. It is still Beta. But 1-2 per month update, and added new options. You cannot ask for better. Artsiteer is dead, small fixes here and there, and it is not my wish. What to do now.
- Magento shop themes. Difficult unbelievable to make them. Here Themler makes them more beautiful than commercial Magento themes (1.9 versions). Dont know how they managed this, Magento is not known as easy for templating.
- One last thing. I will say to you something, but I dont have proof for this. I think they started to work on Themler already from first Artisteer version. 90% of all you ever asked here in forum is implemented in Themler, but not in Artisteer.
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www
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- Multi-colums Grid / Blog. Artisteer doesnt have this. It took my hell of time manually to do all the time. And use some shortcuts and workaround sor equal hight of blocks. Now Themler takes care of this.
Hope they add custom Blog templates. But due to WP logic people should need to keep naming custom themes as they named "post type" or "taxonomy".
But, easy to export changed Blog layout theme to some other place on HDD, rename files and put inside your theme.
Did not you here asked so many times about this and used useless Templateer for this ? Now you have it.
- I personally like widgets positions naming. Put them where you want and name them as you want. Better orientation in backend when you manage widgets.
- Total control over Blog listings. Meta, date, author, category, comments, read more. Put them where you want, how do you want.
- Still dont like copy/paste option for things between diffferent pages inside theme. Or I need to learn how to use it properly. Artisteer knowledge cannot help here.
- Options for disabling blocks / things on other smaller devices after need. Directly in Themler, theme.
- Never used Artisteer slider. Themler slider I could use anytime. At least if client doesnt insist he want to change images in slider.
- Back to top jQuery buttons with plenty of design styling, direct in Themler.
Wish just copy/paste/share option block/styling is done little diferrently. Or I cannot use it right.
Otherways very easy. Before with Artistter if I wanted 3 widgets with inline-block under content area I needed to do it manually. Not enymore with Themler. Just so easy-
- Insert row where you need to.
- Put columns as many you need.
- Put widget positions in columns and name them as you need.
- Bootstrap takes care of rest, center widgets horizontally and gives them equal height.
Pure beauty.
And much other things.
Of course something from Artisteer is maybe missing now. But in my opinion nothing so important, and it can come in Themler. In Artisteer comes nothing new anymore.
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Adam
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I just learned about Themler! I don't know how I missed it. I have a BillionPhotos membership.
What does that mean for Artisteer addons such as WP Tux?
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@ Adam
If you're using Artisteer today, WP Tux is a must. It's greatly extended the life of Artisteer with improved export code quality and new features. I don't think you've wasted your money, if that's what you're trying suggesting.
Themler is shaping up to be a great product that may eventually replace Artisteer. Today, it's still a beta that needs a lot of work.
Once we have a Themler desktop app that can import .artx files, current users of Artisteer will be able to make an informed decision of whether or not to switch. For those who want to stick with Artisteer, WP Tux is that much more important.
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www
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- There are no specific Billion Theme brandings. Just one generic "bd-" beginning of classes/divs. Not a big deal.
- As soon you login in Admin all plugins and themes call home. Why would it be troublesome if Themler theme do the same thing ?
- You can remove Themler editing menu item with this simple snippet. Option comes soon, it is still beta, they need some time for everything.
function theme_add_export_option_page() { add_theme_page(__('Billion Themler', THEME_NS), __('Billion Themler', THEME_NS), 'edit_themes', 'theme_editor', 'theme_editor'); }
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www
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Themler is not for content. Cannot repeat it more, sounds silly.
They have one product for content, but you buy it separately. Createer.
Dont know anything about it, complicated to understand for me. Not like other visual composer WP plugins.
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www
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All themes call home.
Listening to you one could assume you are Matt Mullenweg at least.
And I believe Themler themes dont call home, if you dont use Themler editor in backend. But have no lust to check, will leave it to more paranoid guys.
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Quote :All themes call home
This guy lies.
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Su
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Quote :All themes call home
this guy mumbo jumbo ........ 
WP Tux is the best, all Artisteer users have to try WP Tux . Nothing to lose!.
And combined with page builder, must try!
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www
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Not only the best, but champion of the world. Rocky Balboa and Rambo in one package.
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