I wish Artisteer cost $700 dollars!!!


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Unglood

Posted: 4/14/2013 Quote message   

Quote Previous Poster:

Anyone have anything positive to add?
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I get where you're coming from & think your thought has merit.

Prior to the proposed price hike i think a few of things have to happen.

1) More stability & consistency in the latest release. It needs be clear that it's for "current" technology only.

2) I think for and end-user to pay that kind of do-re-mi then possibly, somehow, the custom css and html coding side (almost always required) needs be friendlier.

3) I think a separation of html/wp vs. "the rest" is good.

4) Shocking I know but a "proper" Support Forum would be a necessity!

I don't know about elsewhere but in NA the cultural malaise of "got a great deal" is crippling. I know no-one in the US who doesn't have "the best dentist" and who didn't get "a really good deal" on a product. The manifestation of this mind set is tangible. Everywhere.

End users? Not so tech. savvy as a general rule. I find they want drag 'n drop.

That all being said, ceteris paribus, I'm in for a price hike - if only to discourage the lumpen!
 
MikeC

Posted: 4/16/2013 Quote message   

James, I do see where you're coming from and I would also wish for many of the same things you and Unglood have mentioned in this thread. They should definitely ditch the Home version, double the price of the Standard Edition and release a Pro version at the $600-$800 range.

Except, look at even the big software companies...no one's doing weekly or even monthly updates. I think Artisteer has had a better release cycle than Photoshop, MS Offce, you name it. There are many Adobe apps I own that either had 1 or no update until they were replaced by a newer version.

Also, I can't think of any software companies that provide reseller 100% markup.

Regardless, these threads tend to be a waste of time. Many people over the years have suggested a Pro version and hiking the prices...I think since Artisteer v2, but the people at Extensoft don't even read their own forums.
 
Dave Cleveland

Posted: 4/16/2013 Quote message   

Quote MikeC:

James, I do see where you're coming from and I would also wish for many of the same things you and Unglood have mentioned in this thread. They should definitely ditch the Home version, double the price of the Standard Edition and release a Pro version at the $600-$800 range.

Except, look at even the big software companies...no one's doing weekly or even monthly updates. I think Artisteer has had a better release cycle than Photoshop, MS Offce, you name it. There are many Adobe apps I own that either had 1 or no update until they were replaced by a newer version.

Also, I can't think of any software companies that provide reseller 100% markup.

Regardless, these threads tend to be a waste of time. Many people over the years have suggested a Pro version and hiking the prices...I think since Artisteer v2, but the people at Extensoft don't even read their own forums.


I disagree with the whole cost issue, and here's why. I spend A LOT...and I mean A LOT of money on my Adobe Creative Cloud Subscriptions. And yet when I had trouble logging inot their server for nearly a month I was about ready to drop them entirely. In fact, had I not complained publicly on Facebook I likely would have gotten no attention at all. In the end though it was ME who figured out what was wrong with THEIR software. So costing more does not automatically mean "better". It just means they chose to charge a lot. On the other hand, I also own a licence to Newtek Lghtwave 10.1. Although a good program, a FREE program, Blender, is by far a superior product. More tutorials, more forums, more help in general and updates roll out ALL the time. Price means absolutely nothing when it comes to choosing and using any piece of software. It's all about the quality of the software. period.

 
MikeC

Posted: 4/16/2013 Quote message   

Quote Dave Cleveland:
Price means absolutely nothing when it comes to choosing and using any piece of software. It's all about the quality of the software. period.


I would argue that it's less about quality and more about value. If it was truly "all about the quality", Microsoft would have died a long time ago and no one would shop at Walmart.

Besides, there is always a correlation between software pricing and quality. Blender is free for us to use but there's still a cost in its development. As an open source project, the development cost is donated by hundreds of people all over the world. If you added up all hours that went into developing Blender, I'm sure it would blow away NewTek's budget. If the true cost of developing Blender was passed onto it's client base, I'm sure it would be priced at a higher cost than Lightwave.

You mention Blender vs. Lightwave but how about comparing other open source projects and commercial apps. Look at Scribus vs. InDesign or Quark. You think Scribus is better? Nope. How about Photoshop vs. GIMP? GIMP is really great but it doesn't even stand up to Elements. Inkscape vs. Illustrator? No contest...Illustrator wins hands down. Lastly, I'm no Microsoft fan but even Office 2007 blows away LibreOffice 4.

I'm sure you'd see a correlation between the quality of the app and the development team/resources/etc. assigned to the respective software. I'm sure the resources that went into Illustrator is significantly greater than those that went into Inkscape. So, it's not really about price in these examples, but the resources allocated to the respectively software.

Anyway, yes, increasing the cost of Artisteer doesn't automatically make it a better product. However, the additional revenue could go toward more programmers or more talented programmers or even hiring someone specifically to moderate and address issues on this forum.

$129 for the standard edition is stupidly cheap and the point people are trying to make here is we're willing to pay significant more for Artisteer. The catch is, we want a more improved app, a quicker release schedule and better support.

 
Peter

Posted: 4/22/2013 Quote message   

I think $700 is over the top but $300-500 would definitely be something that would have appeal.

Perhaps it's time they considered something like that for additional CMS solutions such as Magento for example and added functionality. A Professional Edition that also provides training in not only Artisteer but CSS design as well?

And I would pay that tomorrow if that would bring regular updates and bug fixes. I haven't renewed since mine expired in March 2013 because I see no reason in updating while nothing has been posted in news since 21 February 2013 and no updates since then either.
 
Blake Carington

Posted: 4/24/2013 Quote message   

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I would pay that tomorrow if that would bring regular updates and bug fixes.


I'd pay it tongiht!!!
 
How N Now

Posted: 4/28/2013 Quote message   

How about?


Home & Academic Edition - $49.95

Standard Edition - $129.95

Developer Professional - $499.95
 
Jeff56

Posted: 4/28/2013 Quote message   

And what about the private user like mit that have 1-2 private sites?
I would have no other choice to use a cr4cked version.
 
Jeff56

Posted: 4/28/2013 Quote message   

@Jethro
I wouldn't buy it for that price. cr4ck or no cr4ck doesn't metter.
 
James

Posted: 4/29/2013 Quote message   

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And like i said before i did buy Artisteer but i wouldn't buy it for 300€ i would simply learn how to do the stuff like the professional users.


Professional designers use Photoshop. It's costs $700 dollars.

But I bet you would steal that as well. You've already established yourself as a thief.

Why should anything else you say matter?


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i would simply learn how to do the stuff like the professional users.


Then why don't you do that? Remember Photoshop and PHP.

.You can get started here: http://tizag.com/

Put your money where your mouth is.
 
Logic

Posted: 4/29/2013 Quote message   

People ! When you first buy the software it costs you $129 for the pro version; then every year thereafter you are paying $59 each year. Now, this $59 per year is going to go up, no way will it go down. Also the initial $129 for the purchase is also going to go up at some point!

So how much do you think you will end up paying if you use the software for 5 years?? ... and I bet you will want the latest version right ? At current prices you will end up paying $365 for a five year period, and believe me that is not a long time. Now come to your own conclusions ;-)
 
James

Posted: 4/29/2013 Quote message   

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i don't see any point in using Photoshop for doning websites.


With that sentence you are now unworthy of my conversation.

You have proven yourself a noob. No professional would ever say that.

Ignore @ Jeff56

If anyone besides Jeff56 has anything positive to add please post it here.
 
Kris

Posted: 4/30/2013 Quote message   

Photoshop is nice if you can afford it but it's most certainly not the only game in town. Paint.net or GIMP will work prefectly fine for most graphical tasks involved in webdesign.
 
James

Posted: 4/30/2013 Quote message   

Quote Kris:

Photoshop is nice if you can afford it but it's most certainly not the only game in town. Paint.net or GIMP will work prefectly fine for most graphical tasks involved in webdesign.


That's true. I might also add Paint Shop Pro.

But you try to get a job anywhere as Graphic Designer knowing only Paint.net or GIMP and they'll laugh at you.

If you want to be a design professional. You need to know and use Photoshop. Nothing else is accepted.

Right now Artisteer is like Paint Shop Pro but it really could be Photoshop instead.

I wish there was a top of the line premium web template where I could have complete control of the master templates to make the software output any code or tweaks I wish into the theme.

I can imagine an Artisteer with 1000x more advanced features.

Imagine if they had real funding to make it happen...
 
Jeff56

Posted: 4/30/2013 Quote message   

@James
There is no point in using Photoshop if you can do what you want and need in Paint.NET or GIMP the same goes for Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.


Artisteer could do a normal version which is restricted to 1-5 domains (40€-80€) and a commercial version with no domain restriction (300€-...€).
 
Clippy

Posted: 4/30/2013 Quote message   

...Raster tools like Photoshop are useful for many tasks, but haven't been a major part of my web/UI work for... Seven years now, maybe?

I mainly use Photoshop to edit photos these days. Especially after Retina and widespread CSS3 support (and SVG as img - but I feel quite lonely in my usage of this!).
 
Coffeymate

Posted: 5/1/2013 Quote message   

James' initial post expresses some positive basic ideas that might help the programmers provide the very services we all wish for like some willing to take the time to monitor and respond to the forum.

The programmers have already shown a level of integrity and dedication to this project that is admirable. Thus there would be an expectation this same level of concern and professionalism would continue even if the price was raised. And hopefully it would translate into even better service.

Nothing like showing we love you with a little extra something in the piggy bank, eh? And it goes both ways - giving something to those willing to go to the trouble to re-sell the product might be even more beneficial.

Then there is the issue of what pricing structure will the market sustain for this product. There are some very good ideas and points made here that appeal to my imagination.

Of course, the ultimate decision is that of the programmers of this marvelous piece of work most of us have grown to love. Do they want to grow and expand? Do they have the time and interest to do so? Are they happy with the status quo and the current rate of growth, which, admittedly, is already pretty darn good in comparison to many programs out there of this caliber.
 
wut

Posted: 5/1/2013 Quote message   

No matter how much you pay for Artisteer, you still can't sell the exported themes on the major websites selling premium themes.

You can only sell them to the same folks who you try to hide the program from (how do I remove Artisteer links?). Hmm...interesting.

You can pay a $700 dollars for that if you want to.
 
Roger

Posted: 5/2/2013 Quote message   

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No matter how much you pay for Artisteer, you still can't sell the exported themes on the major websites selling premium themes.



I call bullsht on that one.

You can already find complete premium themes made with Artisteer on many theme reseller websites.

BUT... We are not talking out of the box. Significant changes where made to the underlying code after the export.

Wut doesn't really know anything about anything. Don't even waste your time listening to anything wut says.


Wut is simply a contrarian.

ie: Somebody disposed to taking opposite position: a habitual opponent...
 
wut

Posted: 5/2/2013 Quote message   

Quote Roger:

Quote :
No matter how much you pay for Artisteer, you still can't sell the exported themes on the major websites selling premium themes.


I call bullsht on that one.

You can already find complete premium themes made with Artisteer on many theme reseller websites.

BUT... We are not talking out of the box. Significant changes where made to the underlying code after the export.

Out of the box with significant changes to the underlying code after the export.. - Exactly.
 
Yair

Posted: 10/11/2013 Quote message   

Hello stupid people and bad
Why raise the price? If you are rich - Remember that not all rich world like you
You may pay the price you want to pay - and let the whole world small price to pay
Do not be a capitalist pigs - Do not make others pay a lot of money just because you're rich
 
DumbYair

Posted: 10/12/2013 Quote message   

Quote Yair:
Hello stupid people and bad

Why reply to a such an old post? All the cheerleaders have long jumped ship since 4.2.
 
Grrrr

Posted: 10/12/2013 Quote message   

This post was made before Artisteer turned into Nazi's and force on the online always bullsh!t unto us.

At this point we wouldn't even pay $5 for Artisteer.

Extensoft has a special way to turn even the most loyal defenders against them.

F-ck Extensoft!!!!
 
Dumbasses on Parade

Posted: 10/12/2013 Quote message   

This is my favorite thread. I hope it never dies.
 
\O/

Posted: 10/13/2013 Quote message   

Whole point of thread was to help make Artisteer a better software by offering to pay more. Instead Artisteer decides to screw everyone.
 
Peter

Posted: 10/13/2013 Quote message   

Quote \O/:

Whole point of thread was to help make Artisteer a better software by offering to pay more. Instead Artisteer decides to screw everyone.

This.

As I posted earlier in this thread I was willing to pay quite a bit more for a professional edition as long as their was a professional product with professional support.

That was then, this is now, and now I wouldn't even pay $4.95 for the simple reason that using Artisteer 4.2 would most likely cost ME money in the long run.

Over a month and not even a news update? They really don't give a damn any more. I only hope they are in negotiations to sell the IP on to a more reliable and professional group willing to take Artisteer beyond the pile of c..p it's now become.
 


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