Steve
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Are others experiencing slow load times on their blogs with Artisteer? This is a dealbreaker for me if I can't get the page to load faster.
I did a nice, clean, simple design and tested that against a few other basic themes that I use.
The average load time for the other basic themes is about 1 second.
The average load time for the Artisteer theme is 3-4 seconds per page. That is a HUGE difference. People don't like to click a link and wait for 3 seconds when it normally comes up right away.
There are no more or less graphics in any of these themes and they all look good, I just love that I can customize everything with Artisteer. How can I make Artisteer load/run faster?
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Marc
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I have noticed that problem too, and I would guess that it has to do with the large CSS files as well as non-optimized images. For most people on high speed Internet, it hsouldn't be much of a problem, but if you were on dialup, it would be a deal breaker.
Maybe some effort could be made to slim-down the CSS files - before this software I had never seen one that was more that 10 kb...
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Artisteer
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Hello,
Artisteer creates highly optimized images and fast loading files. CSS file size is usually not an issue and commonly used in enterprise websites. However, Artisteer is able to support many more features than manually created designs, therefore it is possible to create anything from a simple to highly complex design structure.
All unsual issues can be submitted for analysis to Artisteer support at support@artisteer.com
Paul Hudson
Artisteer Team
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Marc Smith
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Does it load slowly EVERY time, or just the first time?
Hard to analyze what might be happening without a link to the site that is having the issue.
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Luis D
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I have the same issue on a web page that was generated by the initial release of version 2. I downloaded the last release that came out on the 10th and it seems to load faster but still not as fast as the non-artisteer generated web page. And I don't like how it displays the contents and graphics first and then the border. I will submit my issue to tech support.
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Artisteer
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Here is a simple Web design created with Artisteer in 5 minutes, very similar to non-Artisteer sample submitted to us by Luis:
http://www.artisteer.com/samples/simple_site/index.html
It loads in about 1 second on my computer.
Paul Hudson
Artisteer Team
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Luis D
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Try to change the layout so the corners are rounded and also put a border around the page. The border and corners are the ones that displays slowly.
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Ellin
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Luis,
I cannot repeat this issue either even using rounded corners for articles, buttons, menus, sheet and page border.
I think it makes sense to report this issue to Artisteer support and provide them with sample Artisteer project.
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Steve
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I'll do some more testing because I REALLY want Artisteer to work. I've been testing Thesis and I love some of the features but hate that you need to know so much code to do even simple things like change a color.
I need quick loading, great looking, SEO optimized blogs and my hope is that Artisteer can make that happen.
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Marc Smith
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Links to sites that have slow loading templates will help a great deal for us to try and figure out what is happening.
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Luis D
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Quote Ellin:
Luis,
I cannot repeat this issue either even using rounded corners for articles, buttons, menus, sheet and page border.
I think it makes sense to report this issue to Artisteer support and provide them with sample Artisteer project.
I have been working with tech support regarding my issue and I must say that the latest release helped a little bit. It loads faster now but it draws the text and graphics first. Then it loads the borders and left and right margin. And that gives people the impression that it's slow. By the way, that was my clients' impression. I was embarassed when I showed him the design because his first impression was it loaded slowly.
I also discovered another problem with rounded corners and borders using an old version of IE6.
The top part is missing, the left and right margins are missing, and the black border around is also missing. If I do this using regular square layout, it works just fine and it displays perfectly on Mozilla and IE7.
Here's a screenshot
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Marc Smith
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I've looked at this in IE 6 (v 6.0.2900.2189
IE7
FF
All three pages loaded as I expected. The way IE loads, with some content and images popping up is not the fault of the Artisteer theme. IE renders pages differently than FF. It attempts to wait until all the elements are downloaded before it renders that page.
FF renders on the fly.
I can email my screen cap of IE6 if you want it.
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Luis D
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Quote Marc Smith:
I've looked at this in IE 6 (v 6.0.2900.2189
IE7
FF
All three pages loaded as I expected. The way IE loads, with some content and images popping up is not the fault of the Artisteer theme. IE renders pages differently than FF. It attempts to wait until all the elements are downloaded before it renders that page.
FF renders on the fly.
I can email my screen cap of IE6 if you want it.
I appreciate you testing and trying to help but no need to send a screenshot. I've already wasted your time and my time trying to deal with this issue. Your right, it works fine on Mozilla and I wish I can tell my clients to switch to Mozilla or upgrade to IE7 but they won't. I'll shut up now and just right off the money that I paid for this software as a lost.
Here's a screenshot of how the page loads in IE7.
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Steve
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How do other themes get around this issue? Would all themes load the page like that in IE?
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Marc Smith
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Without having Luis code or ARTX file, I can't begin to guess what might be going on with that one theme.
With some themes, not just Artsiteer, you get a page that will load as his example shows. I have a lot of themes out there that don't have this problem, so I suspect it has something to do with the particular theme he is using.
Again, without the code, it is very hard to troubleshoot the issue.
I did go to his site and it loaded perfectly in IE6 and I have the screen capture to show that.... I even have an earlier version of IE6 than he does.
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Luis D
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Quote Marc Smith:
Without having Luis code or ARTX file, I can't begin to guess what might be going on with that one theme.
With some themes, not just Artsiteer, you get a page that will load as his example shows. I have a lot of themes out there that don't have this problem, so I suspect it has something to do with the particular theme he is using.
Again, without the code, it is very hard to troubleshoot the issue.
I did go to his site and it loaded perfectly in IE6 and I have the screen capture to show that.... I even have an earlier version of IE6 than he does.
Click [URL="http://www.suprahat.com/dcp1/DCP.zip"]here[/URL] to download the artx and html files created by Artisteer.
Thanks again.
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Marc Smith
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After only a few minutes with the code, I did a couple of things:
Removed the radius on the sheet and content areas.
Replaced the header graphic.
Exported it as HTML and loaded it onto my server.
http://thejoyoftechnology.com/dcp/
It loads fast, but not as fast as it is in FF. I expect that tho.
I haven't added the radiused corners back in yet, but I'll keep experimenting. Looks like it might be a combination of things.
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Marc Smith
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After adding the radiused corners back in, it does get slower loading as it assembles the page, since it has to have a lot more graphics to get the shadows and radiused corners to render.
Luis, you sent this in to support@artisteer.com right?
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Artisteer
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This is what we have determined via support communication:
1. The IE6 problem is not reproducible on our end, but can be related to user's IE configuration. For example this could be related to disabled JavaScript or ActiveX scripting in IE6.
2. Page load time depends on utilized design features, such as rounded corners, borders, photos, etc. The performance should be similar to any other Website with similar design features.
However, possible performance improvements will also be tested on our end in the near future.
Paul Hudson
Artisteer Team
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Luis D
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Quote Marc Smith:
After adding the radiused corners back in, it does get slower loading as it assembles the page, since it has to have a lot more graphics to get the shadows and radiused corners to render.
Luis, you sent this in to support@artisteer.com right?
Thank you very much for spending time on this. Yes, I've been in communication with tech support and at this point I will try to stay away from radiused corners and stick with the basic layout.
Quote Artisteer:
2. Page load time depends on utilized design features, such as rounded corners, borders, photos, etc. The performance should be similar to any other Website with similar design features.
However, possible performance improvements will also be tested on our end in the near future.
Paul Hudson
Artisteer Team
I am glad to hear that you will look into possible performance improvements. Like I said on our e-mail conversation, I like your product and I think it has a lot of potential. I look forward to future releases so I can take full advantage of Artisteer.
Thank you all!
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Steve
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Can someone give recommendations on designing with Artisteer for the quickest load times?
For fastest load times, should we use square or rounded corners, use certain elements, not use others, things like that.
Thanks.
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